• Sam’s Drunk Dog

    I for one do not want Muslims defiling my country with their houses of worship. They are my enemy and enemies of my country. Never forget 9/11 which they are responsible for. Same with the Russians. our cold war enemies. They supported the Viet Kong who killed our troops. Chinese too. They supported North Korea. The Japanese of course are my enemy as well. Never forget Pearl Harbor. The Germans are also out. Fought em twice. Bastards. Never trust em. Oh and I forgot the Poles, Czechs, Albanians, Romanians, Slovaks and Hungarians. Commies! That brings me to the Spanish. Remember the Maine! Untrustworthy backstabbers. Cubans too. TR showed em. And the damn Mexicans – tryin to steal Texas from us. The British can go to hell while we’re at it. Had the nerve to burn the Capitol building. Or was it The White House? Whatever. They are unwelcome here! And the dirty goddamn French! Teaming up with the savage Indians to try and take our land. To hell with all of them! America for the Americans, I say!

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Of course, most of those former enemies you mentioned aren’t actively trying to blow us up as we speak. Not to be picky.

  • DormontDirtBag

    Chad F,

    Your last post had no “Reply” button, so I’m replying here.

    Your original claim was that “the founders wanted religion and government separate.” But the First Amendment doesn’t limit “government”; it doesn’t limit “legislatures”; it limits one thing, and one thing only: Congress. And the people who wrote the Amendment weren’t semi-literate boobs. They were extremely smart and used words precisely. Yet by your way of thinking we are to presume that by “Congress” the founders meant to include state legistalures; city councils; and local school boards. That’s absurd.

    Then you give the game away when you say, “If the founders made a special point to keep federal government and religion separate, why would they then permit states to override these most basic human rights based on Natural Law with unenlightened Draconian statutes? They wouldn’t.”

    Well, I hate to break the news to you, but not only would the founders do that, they actually did. They knew the differences in the definitions between “Congress” and “States.” They chose “Congress” and I’m quite sure it wasn’t an oversight. And while you may think a manger scene at a municipal courthouse, or a “Hail Mary” before football game, “override the most basic human rights” and are the evil spawn of “Draconian statutes,” most sane people do not.

    You then argue that because the founders used the 1st. Amendment to expressly constrain Congress, they must therefore implictly intended to constrain state governments in the same way. But that is just silly. That’s like saying that when a doctor expressly advises an anorexic patient to gain 20 lbs, he also is impliedly telling all of us to gain 20 lbs. It’s not only the constraint itself that is important — just as important is considering who (or what) is the target of that constraint.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      And just for the record, there’s this from George Washington’s farewell address in 1796: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports……Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

      How about a little John Adams? : “…It is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand.”

      I don’t have the space here but you might want to read George Washington’s Thanksgiving Day Proclamation in 1779.
      The opening went something like this:
      “Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of almighty God, to obey his will, to bd grateful for His benefits, and humbly implore His protection and favor…..” I think you get his drift.

  • Ochotexto

    This is a Mosquerade and most of yinz know it. The rest of the wing nuts are just hillbillies suffering from a lack of sophistication. The hicks live in areas where everyone looks the same and the word mosque alone unnerves them.
    Label this under death panels, Al Gore assaulting that woman, BP wasn’t at fault., etc…., just all feeble attempts by the party who ruined the country with it’s incompetence for 8 long years., now still trying to save face.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      46% of democrats agreee with the wing nuts…..including the Senate Majority leader.

      • howard

        Sadly 95% of the republicans agree with theirs.

  • http://justwatchthegame.com Mario4Prez

    Karen:

    That’s a strawman argument. Only the ACLU-style nuts want total elimination of religion in public. I believe all religions should be equally respected.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      So why do so many government “leaders” cave to the ACLU?

      • Mike

        Maybe because the ACLU is right on cases where the gov’t caves?

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          The ACLU was founded by a card carrying member of the communist party. Who’s in charge at the time has a lot to do with when the govt. caves.

    • Karen

      So do I Mike, I just find it ironic ACLU/liberals are basically fighting a culture war against Christianity, but defend Muslims at every turn. It’s hypocrisy.

  • Mary hallow

    Obama never backpedaled. He first said that building the mosque was within their right. The next day he said he wasn’t going to comment on how wise it was to build there and that’s exactly what he should have done. After acknowledging the legality of it, the fed govt should butt out and leave it up to local politicians. You complain when they get involved and now complain when they don’t. You can’t have it both ways.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Friday night everybody in that room thought that he ENDORSED the idea. That’s why they applauded. Saturday morning he realized how stupid he had been and “clarified” it. That’s backpedaling. As Lupica (I think) wrote. this guy has an opinion on where LeBron James should play but he can’t express an opinion on this? These are the kinds of things that leaders are supposed to express an opinion on. It’s called leadership.

      • David Stuart

        He never once endorsed it. Go back and look at the speech, which I just did. He said that they have the right to build it as per the Constitution.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          The inference was there. The reaction of the crowd makes that obvious. The fact that he brought it up at all was a tacit endorsement.

  • Karen

    So let me get this straight- liberals want to eliminate “God” from everything and take “Christ” out of Christmas because it’s very offensive, yet don’t see how building this mosque – of a religion that is at war with us and killed 3,000 Americans – is offensive. Incredible.

    • Chad Farthouse

      No, Karen. Liberals do not “want to eliminate God from everything”. We just want it out of our government, just as the Founding Fathers intended. Have you ever read the 1st Amendment ? It also allows for people to practice whatever religion they see fit. NOBODY cares what religion you choose to practice, just as I could care less what religion anybody else practices. They are all crazy superstitions in my opinion, but who are YOU to say what someone can or can not do with their private property? If you are going to characterize liberal arguments, I suggest that you know what they are so that you don’t sound so stupid.

      • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

        The founders based our government on a belief in God.

        • Chad Farthouse

          Then why isn’t God mentioned once in the Constitution?

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            Check out the Declaration of Independence—which preceded the Constitution and set the tone for the kind of government established in the constitution. The government that created the greatest country in the history of the planet is based on the belief that we get our rights from “the creator”. Even if you’re an atheist, you have to accept that concept or you have no idea what it means to be an American. I’m an agnostic but I’m really glad that the guys who founded the country believed in God.

        • Chad Farthouse

          This is patently false John. Although religious beliefs varied among the founders, they did not “base our government on a belief in God.” What does that even mean in practical application? The 1st Amendment is very clear and unambiguous. I could pull and/or link to many quotes about how the founders felt about religion, and many of them are listed in the Ayn Rand Center web site. It is painfully obvious to anyone with a brain that they wanted to keep religion out of government and vice versa. I thought that you were a Libertarian?

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            The Declaration of Independence says we are “endowed by the creator”. Without that concept there is no Bill of Rights and there is no Constitution. This was a radical concept at the time—consent of the governed. They wanted freedom of religion. But they believed the freedom to worship as you please came from God and was not something that government granted you. They had experience with state religions and wanted no part of them. But they believed “inalienable rights” came from God. It’s the foundation of the country.

          • Chad Farthouse

            Deism: (1) The belief in the existence of a God on purely rational grounds without reliance on revelation or authority; especially in the 17th and 18th centuries. (2) The doctrine that God created the world and its natural laws, but takes no further part in its functioning.

            Even if they were Christian, they understood how dangerous state-sponsored religion was as spelled out in the first amendment:

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…”

            And in Article VI, Section 3:

            “…no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

            Or John Adams in the Treaty of Tripoli:

            “The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”

            Or from a letter to Charles Cushing:

            “Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, ‘this would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.'”

            Or from a letter to Thomas Jefferson:

            “I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved — the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”

            Speaking of Jefferson, this was what he wrote in his bible:

            “The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”

            That day is here for people like myself, and you too?

            Another quote from TJ:
            “In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty; he is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.”

            Another:
            “Christianity…[has become] the most perverted system that ever shone on man….Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.”

            Additionally, “In God We Trust” was not put on currency until after the Civil War. “One nation, under God..” was not put into the pledge until the 1950’s. It is pretty damn obvious that the founding fathers did not trust organized religion and sought to protect the citizens from it. Incidentally, I took all of this information from Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights web site. She was not exactly a liberal, in fact she is a conservative icon. Read more about it:

            http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?id=6177

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            That’s all very nice, but the country was founded on the belief that our rights come from GOD. End of story. Jefferson is the guy who wrote it in the Declaration of Independence.

          • Chad Farthouse

            Hardly the “End of story.” Do some research John. Besides, my point was that the founders wanted to keep government and religion separate. Are you disputing that point? We could argue all day long what Jefferson meant by “creator”, and it doesn’t necessarily mean “God” as we know it. If you’re an agnostic, doesn’t it bother you when people try to insert their beliefs into public policy? Here are some links for you to learn about why your claims are false:

            http://candst.tripod.com/doipurp.htm

            http://candst.tripod.com/doitj.htm

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            Liberal professors revising history. No thanks. I’ve done my own reading on the subject. I have shelves full of books on the founders. The point of the entire “experiment” is that we do not derive our rights from government. Government derives its power from us. We are born with certain rights given to us by the creator. They wanted no state religion but they also held chapel services in the rotunda of the capitol building. The founders speeches are full of referemnces to God and “Providence”
            Washington attributed his victory to “divine providence”.

          • DormontDirtBag

            Chad,

            The First Amendment was (and in my opinion still should be) a limit only on Federal power. It places no limits on the States. Consequently, state governments and state legislatures were, in the 18th and early 19th centuries, unconstrained by the Constitution from making laws establishing state religions. Thus it’s quite incorrect for you to say the founders wanted “religion out of government.” They wanted the Federal government to play no role. State governments, on the other hand, were free to be as ultra-secular or as ultra-religious as they pleased.

          • Chad Farthouse

            DormontDirtBag,
            The 14th Amendment was states:
            “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.” This made any religious clauses in state constitutions null and void.

            Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1 (1947)[1] was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court which applied the religion clauses in the country’s Bill of Rights to state as well as federal law.

            Do you think it is an accident that God is never mentioned in the Constitution? If the founders wanted state-sponsored religion, why did they even bother with the 1st Amendment and the Establishment Clause?

            Also John, I think it is extremely illogical for a person claiming to be agnostic would be, “really glad that the guys who founded the country believed in God.” This makes no sense. What difference does it make what spiritual beliefs the founders had? They probably had many different beliefs and that is why they wanted “a wall” between government and religion. The first Amendment is very clear.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            Who said anything about them being in favor of a state religion? I’m glad they believed in God because that caused them to form a government that concedes that our most important rights are bestowed on us by a higher power. I don’t think Obama believes in that concept.

          • Chad Farthouse

            DormontDirtBag,

            This makes no sense. If the founders made a special point to keep federal government and religion separate, why would they then permit states to override these most basic human rights based on Natural Law with unenlightened Draconian statutes? They wouldn’t. I really do not get people who seem to want the United States to be a “Christian Nation”. It is dangerous territory that cultivates oppression and tyranny.

  • http://justwatchthegame.com Mario4Prez

    In reference to the Hindu comment earlier:

    Did you know Ghandi was assasinated by a Hindu extremist? Or that holy wars between Hindu and Muslim radicals consumed India for decades? Like I’ve said, every group has some fringe nuts, but we shouldn’t judge all people in that group by the actions of a few.

    • Isteve Roissy

      1st of all Mario is Canadian so he can’t be prez. He can buy the Buccos though, we can only hope.

      As to your point, in this country there is only one group causing this type of trouble and it ain’t Hindus. We don’t want the drama, threats, angst, whose moderate/whose not, etc. Just knock it off, now. Coming to America is a priveledge, and the response should be respect and gratitude. Respect and gratitude. Simmer down, go to mosque, observe at home, serve your religious dishes, celebrate your holidays, and go to work on Monday. We don’t want to hear about it. If you can’t handle that, there’s a big wide world out there and we wish you well.

      • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

        I really wonder why they want to come here. Their religion doesn’t seem to jibe well with our culture. If they do choose to come, why don’t they try harder to assimilate?

  • Gary M.

    I think I have a way out for ol’ Barack….and its something he has experience in delivering.
    He says he questions the ‘wisdom’ of putting the mosque so close to ground zero, but hey, its the law.
    Well, change the law Barack. Sure it will be unpopular and most of America won’t agree with you but hey, that didn’t stop your Health Care from passing, right?
    And what about other religions? Don’t worry, you can write the law so specific so that it just covers this mosque at this site. Isn’t that how you bought of Louisiana and a couple other states off in order to get their votes on Health Care?
    Didn’t a California congressman just tell his constituency that there was nothing the government couldn’t do? Well here’s your chance to prove it. Now go kick start Rahm and get that Chicago political machine humming for the greater good of the country.
    And if you want, lets confiscate all of the funding for the mosque and give it to more down trodden religions, gotta redistribute the religious wealth you know.
    Keep up the great work.

  • http://justwatchthegame.com Mario4Prez

    Yeah, because all Muslims are conspiring to hide bin Laden.

  • Naper

    How about Bin Laden’s head on a platter. Then we can talk about a mosque.

    For those of you who say it is two blocks from Gound Zero, there’s the little matter about the hugh landing gear assembly that flew right through the roof of this building. I believe in my Christianity Faith that that makes it Ground Zero. Dispute that, why don’t you.

  • Donn Nemchick

    How about we permit the Musilims to build their “Cultural Center” in NYC if they give up Osama Bin Laden?

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Deal.

      • Chad Farthouse

        Meaningless wedge issue alert. The president’s job is to execute the Constitution. That is exactly what he did. This ridiculous hair-splitting about, “he should acknowledge their right, but ask them not to build it there” is so stupid. John, your sycophantic obsession with Sarah Palin is becoming embarrassing. She is an intellectual lightweight, obvious opportunist, and a huge phony. Yeah, I know you think she is smarter than Biden, Obama, and probably Einstein and Stephen Hawking combined, but you’re very wrong. Just admit that you think that she is hot. Also, if you decline to publish comments, you should maybe point out the reason.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          Palin’s political IQ is much higher than Obama’s. He proves that just about every other day. This isn’t about the constitution. Nobody is saying that they don’t have the right to build a mosque there. It’s about people looking at it–justifiably or not–as a slap in the face. The polls show that that’s how 65% of the people feel about it. A good leader and a smart politician would have said, “While I will do whatever it takes to see that their Constitutional right to build the mosque is protected, I would ask them, in the spirit of tolerance and reconciliation not to build it there. It’s their choice.” If your comment didn’t get published, I’m sure it was because I somehow missed it. I apologize. Send it again if you’d like.

          • Chad Farthouse

            “Palin’s political IQ is much higher than Obama’s.” Yeah, that’s why he is the President, and she is a laughingstock to at least half the nation.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            She was more qualified than he was to be president and she’s a smarter politician.

  • saneman

    Funny, coming from a guy who was aghast that the President would force BP to put 20B in a fund for oil spill damages, but now has no problem with politicians telling private groups to desist from building whatever they want despite meeting all legal and zonal requirements.
    You cant pick and choose when you want government to intervene for the good of the people.

    Now you want to vent your anger at some muslim group for being foolish enough to persist with this , that’s fine as a private citizen. But people like Palin are showing they are not fit to run the country when they say it’s OK to prevent a group from building a mosque. THere is nothign wrong with what Obama said. He has quite a few faults, but hating the country is not one of them.

    But why don’t you point out that Gingrich , a so called history professor, lacks the basic intelligence to even make a half decent analogy? He compared this to Nazis building something near a jewish holocaust museum which means he just equated muslims building a mosque to the Al Quaeda or Taliban building a mosque. It’s the same mentality that a poll had many FOX NEWS viewers conflating Iraq with 9/11. Watch the Daily Show for a devastating takedown on the stupid analogies right wingers are tossing around to justify their pandering. But nooo. Daily SHow is too liberal for you guys. It dfoesn’t matter that right wingers havent been able to prove that Daily SHow is being dishonest. (YOu may disagree with their tone, if you wish).

    FWIW, I don’t have tgoo much sympathy for the muslim group either. If they built a gay club right next to the mosque, I doubt they would be tolerant of it. And I do not think any of their members protested Comedy Central from letting South Park depict Prophet Mohammad on TV.

    But I am just disturbed by how you seemingly 100% make fun of only Democrats. And even when you praise someone, it’s a left handed compliment. (no pun intended).

    • saneman

      TYPO:: I meant, many muslims didn’t seem to have a problem with Comedy Central censoring and preventing South Park from depicting the Prophet Mohammad. So I can just sit back and laugh as two intolerant groups just snipe at each other. Mind you, I don’t conflate Taliban with the muslim group I just criticize. I view Taliban as much worse. (I guess I need this disclaimer in case I get bashed for equating right wingers with the Taliban).

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      The Imam behind the building of the mosque refuses to call Hamas a terrorist organization. No one is forbidding the Muslims from building the mosque. They’re asking them not too. That’s not the same as FORCING BP to fork over 20 billion.

      • Tim

        Exxon appealed for 20 years after the Valdez spill. If Obama uses the power of the gov’t to head off endless legal manuvering and more quickly compensate the real vicitms then I have no problem with it.

        And ultimately it was BP’s choice to enter into that agreement.

  • http://justwatchthegame.com Mario4Prez

    The guy’s screen name is “Harry Cox”, he types in all caps, and he thinks the U.S. government was behind 9/11. Let me guess Harry, you’re 12, maybe 13?

  • http://justwatchthegame.com Mario4Prez

    Indonesia is a third-world country with no reliable media and perfect breeding condions for terrorism…yet only 10% of its population can be described as terrorist sympathizers. All things considered, the number is probably drastically lower in Western countries. The wording of the question was somewhat misleading, too. “Understanding” something is totally different from condoning. I understand why people blow up abortion clinics, but I still abhor them and their terrorist tactics.

    • http://f2bbs.com/bbs HARRY COX

      YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD WITH “RELIABLE MEDIA”, SON.

      HERE’S SOMETHING TO PONDER: WHAT GROUP MAKES UP ON LY 2% OF THE U.S. POPULATION YET DOMINATES THE THE MEDIA AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY. THIS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS ALSO HOLD 3 OF THE 9 SEATS ON THE U.S. SUPREME COURT. THIS 2% HAS AN AGENDA AND THE ISLAMIC PEOPLE STAND THEIR WAY.

      • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

        ROLL THE TWILIGHT ZONE THEME.

      • Tim

        It’s thinking like that which in part allowed the holocaust to happen.

        • http://f2bbs.com/bbs HARRY COX

          IS THAT RIGHT, SON?

          THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED IN GERMANY OVER 60 YEARS YET JUST ABOUT EVERY CITY IN THE U.S. HAS A HOLOCAUST MUSEUM. HOW COME THERE’S NO MUSEUM REMEMBERING THE MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS SLAUGHTERED UNDER COMMUNIST RULE OR THE MILLIONS OF GYPSIES KILLED DURING THE NAZI OCCUPATIONS?

          I GET THE IMPRESSION THAT A CERTAIN GROUP IS LOOKING TO CASH IN THE HOLOCAUST TRAGEDY AND TO PERPETUATE THEIR PROFESSIONAL “VICTIM” STATUS. .

          WHY IS THERE A HOLOCAUST MUSEUM IN NEW MEXICO BY THE WAY? JUST CURIOUS…
          http://www.science.co.il/holocaust-museums.asp

    • Paul

      3rd world country? They’re a member of the G-20, genius. Look it up.

      • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

        They’re also still OK with stoning women to death, aren’t they?

        • Mike

          Speaking of punishments, your chapter about your punishment for Osama Bin Laden is what most interests me.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            I think you’ll like it. It’s worse than the death penalty and worse than life in prison but there’s no physical pain involved and it would provide great entertainment for millions of people.

          • Mike

            Mostly it interests me most because everything else you’ve kinda shown your opinion on to an extent and I’m curious.

            I was hoping it would be something other than just a physical punishment. I personally think the best punishment would be for him to watch a billion or so people reject his form of Islam.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            You’ll have to read the book. I don’t think you have to worry about the government going along with the idea, although, I think most people will think it’s a good one.

  • http://f2bbs.com/bbs HARRY COX

    MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY WATCHING THE VIDEO WITH AN OBJECTIVE EYE THIS TIME, JOHN.

    DON’T YOU FIND IT AMAZING THAT THOSE 2 PLANES CAUSED BOTH TOWERS TO COLLAPSE PERFECTLY INTO THEIR OWN FOOTPRINT? TRY DOING A YOUTUBE SEARCH ON THE BUILDING 7 COLLAPSE WHICH WASN’T HIT BY ANY PLANES YET COLLAPSED PERFECTLY.

    9/11 WAS AN U.S. GOVERNMENT/MOSSAD JOB, SON.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Somebody call Rod Serling,

  • http://justwatchthegame.com Mario4Prez

    How does 10% of Indonesian Muslims condoning terrorism support your assertion that 1 in 5 Muslims worldwide are jihadists? If you look at the polls from this country, it’s safe to say that 10% of the population is certifiably insane. 10% of Americans think that Saddam masterminded 9/11, Obama faked his birth certificate, and that Adam and Eve came from outer space. I would hope that other nations don’t judge us based on a few nuts.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      10% of 2 billionb is 200,000.

  • http://justwatchthegame.com Mario4Prez

    “Hundreds of millions” of Muslims want all infidels killed? Really John?

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      OK. Maybe only 200 million. That would be about one in five I think.

      Around one in 10 Indonesian Muslims support jihad and justify bomb attacks on Indonesia’s tourist island of Bali as defending the faith, a survey released on Sunday showed.
      Indonesia is the world’s fourth most populous country, with 220 million people, 85 percent of whom follow Islam, giving the Asian archipelago the largest Muslim population of any nation in the world.
      “Jihad that has been understood partially and practiced with violence is justified by around one in 10 Indonesian Muslims,” the Indonesian Survey Institute said in a statement.
      “They approved the bombings conducted … in Bali with the excuse of defending Islam,” it added, saying the percentage of such support “is very significant.”
      While the vast majority of Indonesia’s Muslims are relatively moderate, there has been an increasingly vocal militant minority and political pressure for more laws that are in line with hardline Muslim teachings.
      The poll surveyed a random sample of 1,092 Muslim men and women.

      (And that’s just in Indonesia)

      • saneman

        Now if you want to argue limiting immigration and adding citizenship requirements for green card holders, I have no problem with that. As much as I criticized Palin and others oin the mosque issue, I am actually not one off those who think muslims do not have a problem on their hands.

        If you read open records, you will see that Kissinger condoned the genocide of many Bangladeshis by Pakistan and in fact may have aided Pakistan indirectly in their efforts. Pakistan has been aiding terrorism for decades, yet only now, we are concerned about the morality of islamic terrorism because 9/11 happened to us? Reagan called Zia his great friend despite the fact that Zia was openly encouraging a radical strain of Islam to spread throughout Pakistan. And the US gave this guy money and military support as long as he was our toadie.

        Anyway, I thought Palin didn’t think NY was the real america. So now, she expresses concern for the feelings of NYers?

        But yeah. I will support more intense immigration checks on people from islamic countries.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          The Russians were our allies. Things change.

    • Isteve Roissy

      There are 1.5 millions Hindus in America. Ever hear about threats to blow people up over cartoons? CAIR style political in your face groups? How about Muslims go to Mosque, follow their religion, do at home what they’re required to do at home, celebrate their holidays, etc. just like Hindus, Jews, Mormons, Sikhs and Lutherans. Why the in your face and political stuff? How about knock that stuff off and quietly observe your faith and go to work like everyone else. An 11story “Cordoba House” 2 blocks from ground zero? Are you kidding me? That’s how contemptuos some have become of the American will. But the tide is turning, quickly.

      • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

        This will just make November more of a landslide.

  • Mike

    When Obama says “I was not commenting and will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there.”, why was he commenting at all? What prompted the comment? Does he really think we’re that stupid to believe that the building of the mosque didn’t have anything to do with his comments? Also, he stated “I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That’s what our country is about.” It’s amazing how the liberals will justify certain things with “our founding” but always seem to forget that “One nation, under God” is a major part of our founding. They seem to have no trouble taking God out of our schools and just about every other public place.

  • Isteve Roissy

    The Ground Zero Mosque ain’t gonna happen, because it’s a deliberate middle finger/endzone dance. The southern border is gonna get shut down and the nonsense stopped down there.

    Message? America is not your whore anymore. The gringos/dhimmis have grown back their cojones. Public reaction will be whining and wailing that a new dark age is upon us. Private reaction will be grudging respect and a recedng of these types of in-your face provocations.

    Coming to America isn’t a right, its a privelage. Respect and gratitude is expected, otherwise the doors to the west will be closed.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      I wish someone would run on the promise to put a 10 year moratorium on immigration from countries who support or harbor terrorists.

      • Isteve Roissy

        Do we really need mass immigration from 3rd world countries in general? We have 10% unemployment, 20% in some areas including . Black Americans have been here for 400 years. Why are we bringing in the underclass of Mexico and Guatemala to take those jobs?

        Why are we doing this? Its not just the illegal issue, people need to be brave enough to discuss the legal issue as well. We’re not looking to be overwhelmed by foreign peoples and cultures hostile to our civilization any more than the people of any other country. Why is that wrong? How did so many people get bamboozled into the notion that the people of the west must commit slow motion suicide?

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          I think we have…or at least HAD..a pretty good thing going over here, Why do we need to welcome people who want to come here and transform the country? It used to be understood that immigrants were welcome here because they came with the intention of assimilating. Ask tj French and the Dutch how they feel about their new Muslim neighbors.

  • Ochotexto

    Nothing liberal about it., BO stated the constitution must be upheld., he never said it was a good idea. Freedom of religion. The GOP is “usually” the party who preaches the founding fathers, personal property rights, local govt jurisdiction, no fed interference., religion, etc…… How far away would be OK? Theres already one 4 blocks away ., should that be torn down ? We aren’t at war with Islam., but with Al Qaeda and radical religious kooks. If “they “were building this mosque I’d say burn it to the ground. Though nothing should surprise me coming from this party waiting for their marching orders via the drug addicted DJ Limbaugh. Twothirds of them think BO is a Muslim not born here.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Th same number of people who worry about Obama’s birth certificate believe that 9/11 was an inside job. What about the claim that Muslims build mosques on ground where they achieved great victory?

      • David Stuart

        But it’s not on the same ground. It’s not like they are building on the Pentagon or at the Trade Center. It’s 3 freakin’ blocks away which is probably a half mile.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          Yeah. Those whining 9/11 survivors should just shut up.

  • http://justwatchthegame.com Mario4Prez

    Actually John, Palin raised the issue before it even was one and long before Obama commented on it. Her recent comments were just more idiocy.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Her recent comments were right on the money.

  • howard

    Still not getting how these remarks are close to moronic:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZOIBEEvbO0

    9.11 was a horrific day for all of America. Including our muslim citizens. There are extemists in most groups. A large majority of the right is pro-life, but I don’t associate them with the people that bomb abortion clinics…I just call them crazy. Is it a slap in the face for every person who has lost a loved one to a drunk driver to turn on the tv to see ad after ad for beer, rum, and good times? A big leap, I understand…but a mosque has nothing to do with 9.11. It’s not a temple to the Taliban and not a statue erected of the high jackers. It’s a temple for people of a collected faith practicing the same freedoms and liberties you hold dear. You may be correct about the Bataan death marchers not buying a Toyota, but if they distrusted or slandered any American who was of Japanese ancestry, then that would be wrong, and opposite of what they fought for. The people who will pray in that mosque will be American citizens. That needs to be respected and upheld.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      It was moronic not to ask that the mosque not be built there. There are hundreds of millions of Muslims who believe that infidels should be killed. The Tripoli Pirates believed that 200 years ago, It’s nothing new.

      • howard

        Neither is racism and bigotry. We have a pretty long history of that in this country, don’t we? A right to liberty and freedom from religious persecution in our country is inalienable. It’s not granted by popular vote, it’s protected by our constitution. Our founding fathers weren’t necessarily Christians…they were Deists. They believed in One God who was a Supreme ruler, but didn’t accept the divinity of Christ. How would that go over today? Probably not too well. But they created a pretty good document that allowed for all faiths to be accepted and practiced or not practiced as a personal right and not to interfered or intervened by GOVERNMENT or MAJORITY rule. It’s just something they set up and believed in over 200 years ago. It’s nothing new.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          Who’s disputing any of that?

          • howard

            Calling the president’s remarks moronic and thinking it politically wise that he encourage them to go practice their faith somewhere else kind of spits in the face of our constitution, doesn’t it? Isn’t it kind of refreshing that a president put politics aside and made a thoughtful, well measured statement that he probably knew wasn’t exactly politically wise, but right nonetheless?

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            What would be refreshing would be this guy actually having a clue about what the American people are thinking. He’s tone deaf. I’m all for a guy standing up against the masses when h thinks he’s right. His initial remarks were made at a Ramadan dinner. He was pandering to the crowd. The President of the United States should question the wisdom of a religion and a culture that has been known to erect large buildings on ground where they have achieved victory, putting up what could actually be a celebration of the worst attack ever on American soil.

          • howard

            I disagree with your assertion that he is pandering, but can see where you would think that given the setting. I will say that often, a guy standing up for the masses the correct way–sometimes has to do opposite of what the masses may be calling for. In many ways the denial of that building would be as much of said victory if not more than it’s being built. If we begin to deny the freedoms of some to placate the views of others, we’ve already lost. The devastation of that attack and the soldiers who have died since because of that attack will have done so in vane.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            You keep using the word DENY. We…at least the sensible people….are PROTESTING their plan and ASKING them to change their minds out of a sense of respect. That’s what Obama would have done if he were not so tone deaf. He could have done it in a non-threatening way.

          • howard

            It would still be the wrong thing to do. Maybe if America had BUILT SOMETHING in the last 9 yrs at Ground Zero people wldn’t be so touchy about the mosque going up there.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            I haven’t followed that situation very much but I’m going to take a wild guess and say that government stupidity is the cause for the vacant lot.

  • Chris

    Another example of political correctness and liberalism run amuck. I’ll bet there would be no support for Wal Mart if they wanted to open a store there of if someone wanted to put a Nativity scene on site. ACLU of course wouldn’t allow that. The Mosque will symbolize 10 years later one word to the murderers that ran those planes into those buildings. And that word is “Victory”

  • Ben’s a rapist

    Like I said before, what was going on in the offices of Morgan Stanley that made them the target for almost 10 years?

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Who cares?

    • DormontDirtBag

      Why don’t you tell us Ben? I have friends who work at Morgan Stanley. Just what kind of conspiracy theory are you implying in such a cowardly way?

  • Ochotexto

    Truly a sad day we should never forget. Building a mosque a few blocks away is trivial and simply more Republican cynicism and political footballing. Its shameful they should use such an incident to further their agenda., in particular that it happened on their watch.

  • http://justwatchthegame.com Mario4Prez

    This was a non-issue until Insane Sarah started posting about it on her moronic Facebook page. Somewhere along the line, the Islamophobes (e.g. Beck and Breitbart) managed to turn an inter-faith community center that will be run by (gasp) Muslims and will include a (double gasp) mosque into 9/11 victory shrine. No matter what happens now, the loons have won, as they have successfully drummed up fear and hate. Just more conservative race-baiting.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Where have you been, The polls were showing 65% disapproval of the mosque weeks before Palin said anything. Shje commented on Obama’s moronic remarks, which were more politically dumb than anything she’s ever said.

      • David Stuart

        Yea, they were really dumb. He said they had every right to build as per the Constitution and wasn’t going to comment on their choice of building where they are building. Wow, that really is awful. A no comment….can you imagine anymore more stupid? You guys are just looking for reasons to hate this guy. He has balls.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          You’re referring to what he said the day AFTER the dinner when he was backpedaling.

      • saneman

        Polls just reflect what the common person thinks. I am sure most polls in the 60s weren’t that helpful for African Americans. Even if one does not view a certain poll with such cynicism, who cares? Polls probably would say one should go ahead and kill a murderer if the majority believes he is guilty regardless of the jury verdict. It doesn’t mean a polticians should openly adovcate vigilante violence. There area certain responsibilities a politician must assume. Protectign the rights of their muslim citizens is one of them.

        Palin had no business bashing the President for remarks that she should be supporting publicly – the right of a private group of citizens to build a place of worship of their choosing as long as they meet all the laws. If she doesn’t like it, then she should go about changing the law.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          How manyh times do you have to be told that she ACKNOWLEDGED their right? Come on. Try to keep up.

  • francis

    …the worst day i’ve seen in my life i still remember where i was…the people jumping from the burning building was scarey…or those poor souls on the smoke covered roof…no one knew their fate at the time… our MSA representative JUDY COLFER was one of these who made it out of the tower that day…not that anybody knows her here but she is truely blessed…yes they should show the evnts of the day…ALL THE EVENTS…also the story of flight 93…those poor souls…and DC…it’s funny steigy we all disagree and argue at times…but the nation pulled together after 9-11…it’s a shame we can’t keep that going at times…

  • Matt

    Amen to that.

  • Tim

    I’ll argue that people have forgotten Pearl Harbor and don’t take that into consideration when they consider buying a car built by Honda, Toyota or Mitsubishi.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      I know the Bataan death march survivors that I inrterviewed several years ago would never dream of owning a Toyota.

      • Blasto

        John…did you recommned Tears in the Darkness.? I know somebody did to me somewhere and I just finished reading it. Not sure I’ll ever look at a Japanese person the same again….just bein’ honest.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          I don’t know what you’re talking about. Sorry.

          • Blasto

            It’s a book about the Bataan death march. I thought it was recco’d here. It should be required reading. Absolutely brutal.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            I did a piece for KDKA-TV about 15 years ago on local survivors of the Bataan death march. The most memorable interviews of my career. It obviously wasn’t a sports piece. The guys I spoke to were speaking about their experiences publicly for the first time. I remember one guy saying, “My brother’s not gonna believe this.” They all said that this would be the first time that most of their family and friends would be hearing what they went through. And why were they so reluctant to talk about it? They thought people would think they were cowards for surrendering. I’ll never forget one guy who said that, on the day they were liberated, they found some rope and strung up as many guards as they could find. I said, “You mean you hanged….” and he interrupted and said, “We hung every single one of them until they were dead and I have never regretted it for a second.” They were the most impressive men I’ve ever met.

            I’ll bet you couldn’t find 10 local high school kids who ever heard of the Bataan death march.

          • Tim

            I don’t like saying this but the Japanese deserved everything they got when we started fire bombing their cities and eventually dropped 2 nukes.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            Yep.

          • Blasto

            For the record; “Tears in the Darkness” is the name of the book. I fancy myself a rather tolerant man..but I’m not sure I’ll ever look at a Japanese person the same again after reading it. I know it’s not right, but it’s the truth.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            Read “Flags of our Fathers’ or “Fly Boys”. There’s another book that I read and I can’t think of the title. It was made into a movie that didn’t come close to doing it justice. It was about the liberation of some American POWs in Japan.

    • Jeff

      I’m sure they should feel the same then with the A-bombs we dropped right? That was many generations ago and we are no longer at war with Japan. I was raised with the “buy American” slogan until one day I realized I was buying junk. Blame the unions for ruining the American car companies. They were put in place for all the right reasons but cmon. Super high wages and benefits = low quality junk in both engineering and material.

  • Paul

    Agree 100%…not just the planes hitting the building, but throw in a few still shots of people that were made to jump by the heat and smoke.