NHL AWARDS RESULTS GOOD NEWS FOR PENGUINS

Sidney Crosby had to settle for the Mark Messier Award last night at the NHL Awards Show in Las Vegas.

Henrik Sedin got the Hart Trophy for MVP (voted on by the writers) and Alexander Ovechkin got the Ted Lindsay Award which goes to the best player as voted on by NHL players.

I don’t think there is a GM in the league who would rather have Sedin than Crosby and I think most would pick Crosby over Ovechkin.

Crosby and Ovechkin may have helped Sedin win by splitting so many votes between them.

I think there’s at least a little bit of Sid backlash in play here. Ovechkin’s numbers and his highlight reel speak for themselves and it’s perfecty understandable that lots of players would vote for him over Crsoby, but I think there are some players, especially North American ones, who are tired of the Sid the Kid routine.

Crosby may be a little too perfect.  I can see where Crosby could get on a player’s nerves. Unless Crosby was his teammate. You have to see Crosby every game to appreciate him. As spectacular as his highlight reel could be, it’s never going to measure up to Ovechkin’s.

Playing well in your own end, winning face offs and digging pucks out from along the wall are not highlight reel material but they translate into wins.

The Messier Award may be the one most suited for Crosby. It’s for leadership, which means it’s the award that rewards the little things.

Crosby not getting the Hart Trophy or Lindsay Award should be considered good news by Penguins fans because it’s just going to make Crosby more intense.  Watch him for five minutes and you know he HATES to lose. This will only make him play harder. If that’s possible.

  • Tim

    It was an enjoyable show to watch last night. I do have a question for you though. Why was the Pearson Award renamed to the Lindsay Award. Doesn’t seem like a sporting thing to do to poor old Mr. Pearson. What next they change the name of the Cup to the Roenick Cup?

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      I was wondering the same thing. Maybe they wanted to talke politics out of it. I don’t know how the average Canadian feels about Lester Pearson.

  • Scootermojo

    I think you are confusing the Hart Trophy with something else…the Hart Trophy is the Most VALUABLE Player…ie, most valuable to his teams success…it’s not the BEST PLAYER award.

    It’s fairly obvious that Crosby is the best player in the league and Ovechkin is notch below him due to his lack of defensive work. However, take either one of them out of the lineup for their respective teams and the Pens and Caps are still playoff teams though not Cup contenders. Take Sedin out of the lineup and I guarantee you Vancouver doesn’t make the playoffs….thus, Sedin was more valuable to his teams success then Crosby or Ovechkin…this year. I would think that even a fool could see that.

    MVP awards in all sports are full of one year wonders or pretty good players who had one fantastic year and this, I feel, is the same case. There’s no bigger Lemieux fan than me but did he really deserve the MVP in 1988? They didn’t even make the playoffs. On the other hand, he got ripped off the next year in 1989 when Gretzky was named MVP…although I have to admit that Gretzky and Gretzky alone did make the Kings a playoff team that year…but it still should’ve went to Lemieux.

    Just in recent memory St. Louis in 2004, Joe Thornton in 2006, Jose Theordore in 2002, Pronger in 2000….all good players who had one exceptional year…but there were better players than them that year but not more valuable to their teams success.

    I think people whining that Crosby somehow got ripped off this year are missing the point of what the Hart Trophy is actually about and are guilty of homerism.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Point well taken. The meaning of MVP Awards seem to change from year to year. Ovechkin finished ahead of Crosby in the voting, by the way.

      • Ochotexto

        Im far from a hockey expert but would anyone in their right mind trade Crosby straight up for either Ove/Sedin.? Better yet ask “their” GMs/owners., they’d sign that deal in a heartbeat.
        Sids simply the best., enjoy him.

        • Scootermojo

          no doubt sid is the best but this is about who was most valuable and not who is the best. if they gave the MVP to who was the best player than Jagr would’ve won it 4 years in a row instead of just once in 1999.

        • blasto

          To say someone would be “out of their mind” to prefer Ovechkin over Sid is a stretch. There are many people who believe Ovechkin is the better and more valuable player and with good reason. Have you watched that guy play.? He is a tremendous skater and clearly the best goal scorer in the league. He ever realizes that there are 2 ends to the rink and I believe he will be the better player hands down.

    • Chuck

      Henrik Sedin wasn’t even the MVP on his own team. Roberto Luongo was. Without him, they miss the playoffs…

      • Scootermojo

        How exactly was Luongo MVP when he was 10th in shots faced but managed to be only 18th in save percentage? He was also 20th in goals against average with a stellar (note: sarcasm) 2.57 GAA.

        On top of leading the league in scoring Sedin had 24 more assists than runner-up Thornton, was third in goals created (if you don’t know what that is you may be out of your element then), first in assists per game, 2nd in points per game and 3rd in goals created per game.

        I think you may have been looking at stats from 2006 in regards to Luongo.

        • Chuck

          I think you look at enough stats for the both of us…

          • Chuck

            Goals created per game? Did you just make that up? Or do you live for stuff like that?

          • Scootermojo

            goals created…

            http://armchairgm.wikia.com/Goals_Created

            here’s a list of historical leaders on hockeyreference.com in goals created…http://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/goals_created_per_game_progress.html

            so, no, i didn’t make it up. what i did make up is relative goals/assists/points per game which is fairly accurate in comparing players across different era’s because it takes into account the difference in what a goal is worth…less in the 80’s since scoring was high; more now since scoring is lower…but we’ll touch on that subject at another date.

    • Dutch

      Soccoter said “It’s fairly obvious that Crosby is the best player in the league and Ovechkin is notch below him due to his lack of defensive work”

      Incorrect. unfortunately that is a Pittsburgh Myth. Ovechkin had a slightly better GVT Than Crosby this past year. And before you say stats don’t matter, Jordan Stall was ranked 2nd in Defensive GVT among all forwards.

      http://www.behindthenet.ca/2009/gvt.php?sort=12&mingp=&team=&pos=F

      • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

        Crosby is also a year younger and has one less year of experience. He just emerged as a goal scorer last season. He’ll get better at that. Crosby is also a center which means his job is to set up wingers to score goals. Ovechkin spend his time looking for holes to settle in for that one timer. Crosby is skating with the puck looking to set someone else up. They’re both great, great players and fun to watch.

        • blasto

          Didn’t mean to slight Crosby with my Ovechkin defense. Absolutely the 2 best players in the world at this time. Sometimes I just think the Yinzers don’t give #8 his due ’cause he doesn’t have a Penguin on his chest.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            If 8 played here, the fans would say he’s the best in the world.

          • Dutch

            I agree with Blasto. They are 2 of the best players in the world. I’m not sure people like to give Alex his due around here. I think we are a long ways away from determining the best player of the two. I also think Chicago has a couple of very fine players as well.

      • Scootermojo

        GVT is an entirely flawed statistic because it puts a great deal of it’s weight on the what is actually team and line performance and is trying to use that to indicate what an individuals worth is…even the guy who came up with GVT has admitted as much in that it’s a flaw of this stat. Ovechkin is getting a higher rating due to his team through no work of his own.

        To sum up, YOU are incorrect as is the GVT…not me.

        • Dutch

          Scooter

          i think Crosby’s line allowed something like double the amount of goals than Ovechkins line this year. The Point is that Crosby backers who cite his defensive work as a large reason why he is better, are simply over rating that factor. If Crosby is a better defensive player, it isn’t by enough. Not enough to build the case that he is more valuable. Because whatever difference he ismaking on the defensive end, it isn’t showing up on the scoreboard. His line allowed many more goals against.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            You’re comparing lines. How do you know that that line would not have given up MORE goals if Ovechkin had been on it instead of Crosby. I don’t are about the stats on the two lines. I watched what Crosby does without the puck and what Ovechkin does. I’ve also watched Crosby battle along the boards. It’s not close. Ovechkin is a better goal SCORER than Crosby. That’s it. That ain’t bad but that’s it.

          • Dutch

            Despite playing in fewer games, Ovechkin had 23 more takeaways than Crosby this past year. The Selke winner Datsyuk lead the league in Takeaways. So clearly, taking the puck away from the opponent is a clear indication that someone is doing something other than just scoring goals. He also had 165 hits compared to 63 Crosby had.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            No GM in the league would call Ovechkin a better two way player.

  • Mike

    I personally enjoy the hated of Crosby around the league cause I feel it increases the chances he stays in Pittsburgh for his entire career.

    • Niblick

      There may be a lot of fans around the league that hate Crosby but all of them would take him in a heartbeat. Pens’ fans don’t care for Ovechkin either. But I would love to have him.

      I think Crosby hurt himself early in his career with his whining all the time. He has done much better with that lately. I think other players take offense to that and obviously so do the fans.

      • Mike

        I just feel he’s much likely to sign places that have booed him. Just my opinion.

        What I can’t understand is that he was 18 his first year and people expected him to act like a full grown adult. I guarantee you back then he was more mature than 99.99% of college freshman.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          He’s the same age as Pedro Alvarez.

    • http://www.patrickfbruce.com Goose

      I used to hate Pete rose for one reason, he made people sick with how hard he played… except the people in Cincy!

      • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

        If there was an award for Most Annoying Opponent, Crosby would win in a landlside. Not annoying because of cheap shots or trash talking. Annoying because he not only never takes a shift off, he never takes a SECOND off. When I watch him fighting for pucks along the boards I always get the feeling that the other guy is thinking, “Does this kid ever back off an inch?”

      • http://justwatchthegame.com Bobzilla

        It’s a lot easier to hate Pete Rose now than it was back then. Betting on baseball, tax evasion, adultry, and corked bats. That’s quite a legacy for ole’ Pete. Yet some still insist he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Sweet.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          I’m OK with Rose in the HOF. His banishment should be mentioned on his plaque and he should never be allowed to work in MLB.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com Bobzilla

            Rose, in the HOF? Even now that he’s under suspecion of using a corked bat? Are you also OK with steroid users going into the hall? I mean, cheating is cheating.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            I gave up on the baseball Hof. I keep my own HOF in my head. Steroids complicates it too much. If there is proof that Rose used a corked bat and nobody else was doing it, I would disqualify him.