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  • Al

    Good one.Are you taking the family to a trip to the beach in the gulf this summer?How about a good seafood dinner?We have been drinking oil around here forever.It is in our water in this region.It has helped cause this areas high cancer rate in my opinion.Drill Baby Drill !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Oil makes the world go ’round.

      • Ochotexto

        Its like explaining the passing game to Woody Hayes.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          Woody didn’t have to pass because he was winning with the run. Passing was there as an alternative and it was used at the appropriate time. What’s your immediate alternative to oil?

          • Ochotexto

            Time to start looking at alternatives., maybe not as a 100% replacement but as an accompaniment. Have you seen the Gulf of Texaco ? I should be able to jump on some type rail and be in Philly in 40 mins. It ain’t the Jetsons., its done all over Europe. Besides there’s only a finite amount of the stuff in the ground. What about your great great grandkids ? What then ?

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            I don’t know of anybody who is opposed to alternatives. In the meantime, drill, baby drill.

          • Ochotexto

            Too bad their greed meant spill baby spill. Tell the good people down on the coast that.
            How about they start their next project in your backyard ?

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            Too bad they were forced to drill in 5,000 feet of water. How about they do it in ANWR? I don’t think there are any backyards near there.

          • Ochotexto

            They’re coming to your neighborhood soon.

          • Ochotexto

            Nobody forced them to drill anywhere., lame argument.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            They were told they couldn’t drill in shallower water. Therefore, they were FORCED into deep water.

          • Naper

            The “arrogant BP CEO wqho went sailing over the weekend.”

            He was fired. Here’s the bird to ,you. What did you do when you were fired? Go back to the office?

          • Joe Bunda

            Once again, Ocho you don’t know what you’re talking about. Shallow water drilling is not allowed due to environmental impact. That worked out really well.

            Do you think it may be easier to deal with a problem that isn’t a mile under water. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say it would be.

            I love this, I could shoot down your propaganda all day long. Keep it coming.

  • Al

    The whole government system is bought and payed for.Both sides.Remember the song Eve Of Destruction?Take a look around you boy it is bound to scare ya boy.Those words are still true today.We are ruining our environment.For oil.Why because Big Oil has the money to buy off people.We are afraid to shut them down because more people will lose their jobs.Who cares about the people that are losing their jobs because of it.Sure BP is paying some of them.It will not last forever.No one knows what effect the oil in the ocean will have.How long it will last.When America pays its enemies money to kill Americans something stinks.I don”t care who runs for office from either side.Give them time and the system sucks them up.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      You do realize that you could not have posted here without oil, right? I love oil.

  • Joe Bunda III

    I can’t believe that anybody can defend this clown, let’s go down the list.

    Auto Bailout to reward unions. – check

    Government healthcare, timed so that you really figure out what it is after the elections – check. (check canada and england for how this will go.)

    Igrore disaster in gulf for 50+ days. – check

    Undermine atempts to secure southern border – check

    Golf, golf, golf while the gulf dies – check

    motgage bailout – check

    10% unemployment – check (Wasn’t supposed to go over 8, remember?)

    blame others for everything – check

    ignore voter intimidation by the black panthers in Philly – check

    Insult foriegn leaders by givig the queeen an ipod and primeminsiter some DVDs – check

    return bust of Churchill to england (big insult) – check

    Make Jimmy Carter look like a genius – check

    Undermine states who are trying to do something about the gulf disaster – check. Getting something done would interfere with golf.

    Give safty award to BP just before the spill – check

    Not meet with your top generals in a time of war until months after taking office – check

    Not provide those generals what they need to suceed in Afghanistan, thereby causing deaths of american troops – check

    Call a decorated police officer an idiot on national telvision before even knowing the facts. (Maybe barry was referring to himself?) – check

    Last but not least, he whines like a child as soon as you disagree with him or give ANY critisizm. – check

    Handouts, hand

    Wow, my hands are tired after all th etyping and the guy hasn’t been in office for 1.5 years yet. It would be hilarious if it weren’t so damn serious.

    For those who like the job barry is doing, can you please point out something that the man has done besides destroy this country?

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Check.

    • Ochotexto

      Those are almost as bad as JS’ made up quotes., when yinz lost all credibility., now Gary is cooking up some fake Watergate.
      Obama still gets a ( C-) ., not a D due to what he inherited., wh yin won’t acknowledge. But he has:
      The Dow up and rescued many investors.
      Passed health care.
      Saved GM and the auto industry.
      Held Wall St and thieving credit card companies accountable.
      Appprpriated funds to destabilize Taliban in Pakistan., easing us out of Bush mistake of invading Iraq.
      Fired heretic, turncoat, general but didn’t out anyone like w Valerie Plame fiasco.
      Gotta go., the Sports Grouch is on the radio.

      • Joe Bunda

        Oh boy, there really is one born every minute.

        I won’t comment on Wall St. since it’s not my thing.

        Healthcare. Disaster waiting to happen. See Canada and Europe. Rationing is coming.

        Saved auto industry? He propped up unions, on your nickel, only putting off the inevitable. GM will be back looking for handouts. When the right does it you call it Corporate Welfare. When a lefty does it, it’s brilliant.

        How exactly are the banks and credit card companies accountable? From what I have seen they have jacked up fees and interest rates since the new laws were passed. Yeah, that helps little guy.

        Pakistan and Afghanistan aren’t exactly going well. Do some research before spouting off.

        Fired a “turncoat” general and replaced him with GWBs general. Remember the “General Betray Us” ads from the left?

        If you want to debate, please come with some ammo next time.

  • Steve

    John, in my opinion it is a shallow well (pardon the pun) you’re attempting to draw from. The mantric, ” the last twenty years” is purely tautological. Surely you don’t think inflation has excluded electioneering? What you have proven then is just how expensive running for office has become.

    When one ponders the etiology of toxic excess, and let’s use two of your favorites, social and governmental; just how do you propose fixing, or at the very least ,begin to alter the downward trajectory of the latter and the former?
    I’m in complete agreement with you. Government is too big and moral standards far too lax. But ‘big government’ is not always anathematic while ‘moral standards’ are too subjective to ever get everybody on the same page (though a return to the time when children addressed their elders as Mister/Missus/sir/ma’am would be a good place to start were Americans amenable to trying; then again you’d need the cooperation of parents and teacher’s, which at this point doesn’t seem likely IMO).

    If one steps back from a doctrinaire stance they might well notice there is enough hypocrisy emanating from the political and social left and its cohort, the political and social right that the word ‘irony’ should have one page of the dictionary all to itself.

    Is this a good enough reason to ‘shakedown’ BP John?
    Here’s a rather un-tasty tid-bit..

    From Arnaud de Borchgrave in the Washington Times, August 31, 2009…….
    “Heated denials notwithstanding, Scotland’s ‘compassionate release’ of convicted Libyan Lockerbie bomber Abdel Baset al-Megrahi was part of a three-way oil deal among Britain, Libya and Scotland.” “Britain’s interest was the same as BP’s — a bigger share of Libya’s untapped oil reserves, estimated at 44 billion barrels.”

    …or this from Stephen Glover in the Daily Mail, who by the way is definitely not a liberal (as you would define the word)

    “Barely a week ago Lord Mandelson pompously declared that it was “completely implausible” and “offensive” to suggest the Government had connived in the release of the Lockerbie bomber, Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, for commercial reasons. Now leaked letters show that this is precisely what the Government did. It moved heaven and earth to secure the release of Megrahi from a Scottish jail, seemingly to facilitate a multi-billion-pound deal between Libya and BP that might otherwise have been in jeopardy.”

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Lowry makes the point early in the piece that the more powerful and complicated govt. becomes the more likely it is that you’ll find corruption and ineptitude.

      • randy newman

        and the more powerful and complicated corporations, and the interlaced financial industries that support, and are supported by them, become, it stands to reason that the more corruption, and sociopathic behavior you will find.

        of course you are called a socialist, or a communist by people who only have a faint idea what those words mean, for daring to make the obvious corrolary.

        now, here is the thing, people have much more control over the government they hire to represent them, than they ever will have the financial clout to influence corporate and financial sectors of the economy.

        therefore it only makes sense that government be trusted more than corporate interests by the public at large. the government is the only means to get our voice in the room. to elect a government of people who believe government cannot serve that function is like hiring a sportscaster who thinks all sports are stupid. or a vegan to work in a slaughterhouse. not only can and should regulate corporate interests so they perform in the public interest, but anyone who suggests they shouldn’t, should be deemed a corporate fascist. the philosophy of small government, is a naive approach at best, most often it is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          Yeah, Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, Franklin—wolves. I hear you. Jefferson considered government a necessary EVIL.

  • Kevin

    I found two things that stood out in this article:

    1. “The bigger and more complex government is, the more incentive corporations have to politicize themselves and get in bed with Washington. If they have resources to do it (not everyone can afford Stan Greenberg), they’ll protect themselves from the worst while disadvantaging their competitors.”

    So all you that think government is the answer please use this to help you understand why us “evil” conservatives want smaller government.

    2. “(BP) compiled an atrocious safety record that made the poor decision-making that led to the blowout in the Gulf unsurprising to industry insiders.”

    As a person that deeply believes in the free-market system, I hate that this stuff gets overlooked. One role the government should play in economics is that of referee. If BP was as terrible as this article makes it seem, the fact that the Feds did nothing is very disheartening. I guess we should refer back to quote #1.

  • Mike

    While that may be true, at least he didn’t APOLOGIZE to the CEO of BP and say they were the victim of a shakedown for being held accountable for the damage they caused.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvKZh3EY9S4

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      They were the victim of a shakedown.

      • Mike

        How so? They mess up the Gulf Coast. They pay to fix it. “You break it you bought it” is not a shakedown. It’s accountability. You don’t think BP should pay for the damage they caused?

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          I think they should pay for every penny of damage but I don’t think the President gets to pull a number out of his ass. It should be decided by the courts.

          • Mike

            BP agreed to it. And the court system worked out so well for the victims of the Exxon Valdez. Conservatives bitch and moan about overzealous attorneys. This way reduces their cut and the true victims got more of the money.

            And it’s an escrow account. If the damages are more they will still owe. If less they will get the amount back.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            What choice did they have. We don’t have a dictaroship. The Dear Leader doesn’t get to decree his solutions. At least not yet.

          • Mike

            They could of set up this escrow account or faced a class action lawsuit. that would of made the Exxon Valdez case look like small claims court.

            Everyone knows they are at fault and liable, including them. This is their most efficient way of compensating the victims.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            I don’t disagree. I don’t like it when I hear someon in the federal govt. say, “We’re going to keep our foot on BP’s neck.” And I don’t like it when the President decrees that a company is going to do X y & Z. Especially when it’s one who has Marxist leanings and lots of Marxist friends.

          • Mike

            It’s better than apologizing to them.

            PS – if Republicans win control of the House in November, Barton will Chair the committee that regulates the oil industry.

          • Ochotexto

            Why so fast to defend BP ? I thought you just inferred he and BP were simpatico due to all the donations. Is this another constitutional issue ?

  • http://sh Karl Marx

    PLEASE,,,just a little more research Johnny boy..One of these days you will make a political point that will stick and the lefty’s won’t be able to carve up in a blink of an eye. Im rooting for you buddy…..Rush just called and wants you to quit attacking Obama and defending Bush..He said PLEASE!

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      What didn’t stick?

  • Gary M.

    I doubt anyone is dragging this thing on purposefully. If Obama could shut it off tomorrow he would. It’s killing him from the right and the left.
    I don’t doubt the administrations ability to use a crisis for personal gain though. This week brought out the allegation by Senator Jon Kyl from Arizona who said that Obama told him that if he secured the boarders; he couldn’t get the Republicans to push for his immigration reform. (And Obama is really talking about amnesty here, reform is just a word used to distract.)
    Think about this if its true. A sitting President using a federal responsibility that deals with the welfare of this country’s citizens as a bargaining chip to push his agenda.
    I can’t believe this story hasn’t gained more traction. They tape the conversations in the WH (LBJ started it and Nixon found out the hard way…)
    But if its true and can be proven, Obama should resign. If its not true, the Senator should resign.

  • Dar

    Looks like you got your butt kicked here John. It’s becoming a pattern now that people are on to you.

  • Joey

    The amount of the money is less telling than WHEN it was given and received. Having been a veteran of campaign staffs and a donor to political candidates, I know that many contributions are made once it becomes clear who will win the election. Like betting a horse in the final stretch. That is done to make sure you are on the winning side.

    I would like to know when the BP money came in. We knew a month before the election that Obama was going to win and many prognosticators said a Democrat would win after Bush 43 before the summer of ’08.

  • Ochotexto

    More BS and half truths. BP donates to all. Corporations are killing our environment.
    Why no posts about the arrogant BP CEO going on his yachting trip over the weekend ? Talk about salt in the wound. The thing about conservatives is they’re so arrogant oft times they can’t see it themselves.

    • Ochotexto

      And id this is all true., why have you been scurrying to cover for them ?

  • InTheMiddle

    This is equivalent to saying the Pirates have lost 17 years in a row without mentioning how messed up baseball’s financial system is. Someone mentioned it awhile back on here, if you make up facts, are they really facts? Or if you believe it to be true, is it really a fact?

  • Matt

    They are dragging this out to push their agenda. If Obama was a real leader he would have accepted the help that various countries offered and used the Navy and Army Corp of engineers to quarantined the oil before it got near the coast.

    • Doug

      What sort of help has been refused? To my knowledge, two countries, Norway and Denmark, have offered to help. Denmark offered some boom equipment and Norway offered a few skimmer ships, both of which were accepted.
      The Corps of Engineers is working to help with onshore containment efforts. I dont see what the Navy would bring to the table that the Coast Guard does not.

      • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

        The Dutch offered skimmers. He wouldn’t waive the Jones Act—maybe because he was protecting the unions.

  • Darrel

    OK, once again, you are thinking that your readers don’t have a brain and can’t figure out numbers. The fact is that Obama had three times the size war chest of political contributions compared with McCain so this is actually below the rest of the country. The rest of the country was giving Obama $3 for every $1 for McCain, but this article says that BP employees are giving $2 for every $1: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/21/nation/na-mccainmoney21

    And they mention BP employees, not executives. So these are the “regular Joes” that give $25 or $50 to a candidate. The employees are free to do whatever they want with their money and are not being told who to vote for by the executives.

    So while your comment about the Dems getting more money compared to the Reps from BP employees is a fact, the Dems actually got less money from BP employees compared to what the rest of the US gave. Ohh you sneaky little man you.

    • Hair Jordan

      I love the rebuttal and counter with facts Darrel. I think John sits at home all day long, watches Foxnews, reads right wing articles online and tries to think of ways to make Obama look bad. Yes Obama was more popular than McCain, so he got more money. I don’t see what is wrong with that, but I’m sure someone on the right side will come up with some sort of half-nutted conspiracy theory.

    • Dar

      Oh John, you tried and failed AGAIN. Darrel gave a couple of facts and made your point above irrelevant. Maybe you need to find a new day job.

      • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

        I wouldn’t want you to be lonely. Obama is the biggest recipient of BP PAC money and individual money over the last 20 years according to financial disclosure records. My point is simply that they’re ALL dirty with BP money.

    • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

      Biggest recipient of BP PAC money and individual money over the last 20 years going all the way back to when he was running for the senate in Illinois. They’re ALL dirty with BP money is my point–or I should say–was the point of the piece that I linked to.

      • Dar

        No, you got called out. The point you were trying to make is that Obama was getting more money from BP employees than anyone, so something must be a little fishy. Maybe he was more popular with voters and therefore got more money and that’s usually how it works. If you aren’t popular, people aren’t giving you money.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          He got more money from BP than any politician in the last 20 years. I made a statement that was based on what was in the link. Call Rich Lowry.

      • Dave

        Once again you are trying to smear Obama. Same with the blog last week that you had where you included a small part of his book that was taken out of context to try to make him look bad. It’s the same story with you over and over again. You don’t like him, so you find any means necessary to bash him, even if that means misrepresenting facts.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          He has taken more money from BP than any other politician in the last 20 years. You want to nitpick because you can’t deal with the point of the story which is that ALL politicians are dirty with big oil money and he was SUPPOSED to be different.

          • Dave

            He’s also had a larger war chest from donations than anyone else, so this falls right in line with the rest of the country.

      • Iron Mike

        You got OWNED, John. And no, your point was not to say they are “ALL dirty w/BP money”…what part of the below implies this??? I love the damage control there, John…”oh, wait, I mean the point I was trying to make is that they’re ALL dirty”

        “Should you believe and trust in the president of the United States or the CEO of BP? How about none of the above?
        Guess which party got the most money from BP employees in the last campaign.”

        Turn off the Faux News for 5 minutes, John.

        • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

          Did you guess correctly? I guess I make the mistake of giving you guys too much credit. When I wrote that post I was assuming that most liberals—if not most people–assume that the Republicans are the ones who are in bed with the oil company. The first sentence was a reference to the linked piece, the theme of which is that neither the president nor the CEO should be trusted. My mistake was assuming that you would get that AFTER reading the piece.

          • Dave

            Oh come on. You really expect us to believe that?? I’ve heard several times from you when you are challenged on a topic that you respond with “i thought you guys would assume……” Please. You posted this to make Obama look bad and to say that he’s in bed with BP.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            Of course I posted it as a criticism of Obama. So what. When I add a link followed by a sentence that summarizes what was written in the piece, I assume you have read the link.

          • Dave

            Above you say it is a criticism of all policitians when you were confronted and now you are admitting you were trying to attack Obama and he didn’t even do anything wrong. He has received more money from citizens than any other politician ever so this is in line with the rest of the US. I do not see the issue.

          • http://justwatchthegame.com JohnSteigerwald

            It was a link to a piece by another columnist who attaacked Obama, the Democrats and BP.